Monday, February 24, 2014

Houston, We Have a Problem


This was a comment earlier today by Kim Gwin on the post previous to this (Thou Shalt Not Steal).

Our problem?  A small HANDFUL of very loud people - all "connected" to each other,  keep trying to shout over Stamp Out's message about copyright violations and thefts.  Their strategy is to spew hate to try to distract the conversation. 

Why?  To distract people from the issue, because it hits too close to home.  This is the same handful of people every time.  You'll see their names over and over again in the comments whenever Stamp Out is trying to have an important conversation about ethics and law for artists. So keep your tally sheet out.

In this particular case, it's Kim, who appears to have a good reason for trying to distract us.  She sells digital stamps with the "Scrapbook Stamp Society" -- stamps like this:


This penguin photo belongs to Capitol Pictures and its copyright restrictions are very clearly written HERE.  You would think that Kim would understand copyright restrictions, because she has written a bunch of them under "her" penguin stamp.

So let's try to keep the conversation on track.  This discussion needs to be OBJECTIVE.  It's easy to just let the pictures do the talking.  And it's useless to argue with the people who are trying to distract us from their own violations, and the violations of their friends.

Parties interested in copyright might like to look at the rest of the images in Kim Gwin's shop and see which ones might be based on copyrighted work.  If you find any you think are suspicious, email the original owner if you can to report the possible violation.

Here's a list of the top 10 reverse image search engines to help concerned artists and crafters find original source images and report violations -- let's help stamp out the "hate talk" and stick to the issue.

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  1. It really gets tiring seeing the same old comments posted again and again from the same people who don't read or educate themselves on copyrights

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  2. Hugs Mo I know this is a constant fight for all of the great artists.

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  3. Mo....You are a pathetic woman....I don't have to copy anyone.....and my drawings are pen and inks.... they aren't coloured photos...and if you are really as smart as you think, you can see that my drawing does not fit the same lines....when I see a lighthouse....I take a photo....I draw it....when I see National Geographic, I take a photo and I draw it....Just like all artists do....you are a freak....and you know not a damn thing about drawing....you little childish cartooning fool....I would dare any of you to start this crap with me.....cause I will come after you....strongly! Youre definitely messing with the wrong girl....I have a wonderful legal team that would spit you out!

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  4. Youd better check up on your copyright laws btw..

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  6. Oh, Mo....btw, what did you use to copy the fireplace you drew?....Tell your cronnies about that one....there are many of yours that have been copied....I draw realism btw....so, I surely didn't have a penguin sitting in my floor ...nor a shark in my bathtub....I could only draw a person or maybe a penis if it were in front of me...

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  8. Somebody is very defensive and childishly resorts to name calling and threats. Tell me more on how superior you are while I read Mo's books to my children.

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    1. Bubbles have you read the names Mo has called people? she called people mental in her hate group. If she truly believes that why would she allow people to pick on that woman? Have some compassion, you have no idea what she has been through in her life. Mo has wished her childless. Really? come on, why is it that you people are jumping on the bully bandwagon? I would be ashamed to hurt another person like that.

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    2. ShersL84bed have you read the things Kim is saying? Including but not limited to threats. I don't believe it is bullying when someone is protecting their work and income, I see how people can take it that way if they're the perpetrator. I haven't seen her bullying anyone. What I have seen is her calling out those who steal others work.

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    3. So Mo is the bully? Funny I can't find anywhere where she resorts to name calling like poor Kim.

      Kim GwinFebruary 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM
      No nap here big cheeks....I am a very active mom for my kids....lets hope you have no kids....cloning monsters

      Kim GwinFebruary 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM
      Mo....You are a pathetic woman....

      Kim GwinFebruary 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM
      Hey dumb butt....

      Kim GwinFebruary 24, 2014 at 6:15 PM
      National Geographic on tv stupid! Real animals....You girls aren't too bright are you?!

      Kim GwinFebruary 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM
      NO...IT IS NOT IDIOT....I

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  9. ever heard the old saying "me thinks thou dost protest to much" ? Use you own imagination, if you have one, Kim, and leave the real artists alone.

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  10. So if I trace a coloured image in black and white that's not copyright infringement? That wasn't in the copyright law I read.

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    1. Hey dumb butt.....I would challenge you and anyone else on your pathetic little girl bashing site....I don't have to trace....Im too good to have to trace....but Mo, on the other hand....she traces all the time....she just doesn't want you to know it...I take photos or look at real photos and draw a picture....just like if you were to go outside and take a photo of a tree.....God, it must be hard being so stupid old woman

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    2. Projection much? Also why the need to insult everyone here? That's like below high school level.

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  11. Since you obviously do not read copyright restrictions well, maybe you should at least check out this page before publishing your next blog comment in which you admit copying National Geographic:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Putting-My-Foot-in-My-Mouth/254978581366

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    2. As if. I fail to see the Bratz Doll in her images. I really don't see it. I think you should try to come up with something better.

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  12. It is obvious Kim is a TROLL, an internet bully who makes provocative comments to get a rise out of people. The worst thing you can do is give them air time and respond. Ignore her and don't give her any power. I firmly believe that people who steal, and deliberately hurt others will get their just desserts, and I don't have to be their tool. So Kim, have a great day.

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  13. This part of the comment confuses me: """....when I see National Geographic, I take a photo and I draw it..." Do you mean you actually take a photo of a National Geographic Magazine? And because you took a photo of a copyrighted photo, you think it negates the original photographer's copyright? If that is the case, and I think that is what you mean, then you are incorrect. Use of a copyrighted image for artwork is pretty simple...ask the photographer for permission. Their copyright affords them the right to say 'yes' or 'no'. Try it!

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    1. Not that it makes a difference anyway whether it's a still or a photo under copyright law -- but even if she "claimed" to have taken it from a photo she snapped while watching, it's SILLY for her to think anyone would believe her when the exact "frame" is the most popular image from the movie. Lazy, lazy "research" for an illustration.

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  14. If you are unable to reason with people who see no problem high jacking your work, I think you have to consider pursuing legal action. Someone is profiting off your intellectual property and you have protection under the law. If you win the case, it may make others think twice before stealing from you.

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  17. National Geographic on tv stupid! Real animals....You girls aren't too bright are you?!

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    1. Hard to tell what you mean exactly, but taking a picture of an animal on TV is just as much a copyright violation.

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    2. NO...IT IS NOT IDIOT....I KNOW FOR A FACT....I TOLD YOU...I HAVE A SUPERB LEGAL TEAM....YOU ARE TRYING THIS WITH THE WRONG GIRL!

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    3. Superb legal team? Hah! Start writing out the checks! We have side by side evidence here, what do you have? Insults and the rants of an hysterical woman... please USING CAPS!!! Take a breath and, if you are capable, try having a civil dialogue...

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    4. I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. I am stupid. I am not too bright. Now I know you watched 'March of the Penguins' on the TV and took a photo of the TV screen, right? So you didn't go to Antarctica and take your own photos? You used the photo taken by the documentary film crew that braved 125 mph winds and 70 degree below zero temperatures ? Photos like those, pictures of real animals, have copyrights, and if you had written or emailed to the company that made the photos of the real animals, you might have been given permission to use their copyrighted work from which you intend to benefit financially. It's called a 'licensing agreement'. Most really superb legal teams are familiar with the term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_the_Penguins

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  19. And I don't bully girl....its your buddy Mo that bullies....she is well known for her bullying....I defend those she bullies....Get with the program! Reading is fundamental!

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  20. Oh and Mo...you have just committed copyright infringement....you have taken my photo and posted it without my permission....

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    1. Sorry, that would fall under "fair use."

      Glad to see you're up from your nap.

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  21. No nap here big cheeks....I am a very active mom for my kids....lets hope you have no kids....cloning monsters

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  22. Can you just please STOP. Thank you.

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  23. And Krista Smith.....was it copyright infringement when you drew the Kardashian sisters and sold them....was it infringement when you drew Yosemite Sam on those invitations ? And was it infringement when you drew the Rug Rats? And you claim to be Christian, the bible says its a sin to mark up your body...

    krista smiths infringements......https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Ftransaction%2F31953011%3F&h=AAQEQ7BKC

    https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Ftransaction%2F31480861%3F&h=AAQEQ7BKC

    https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Ftransaction%2F31112038%3F&h=AAQEQ7BKC


    https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Ftransaction%2F29910753%3F&h=AAQEQ7BKC


    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fannamazing.buzznet.com%2Fuser%2Fjournal%2F8012681%2Fbratz-fashion-dolls%2F&h=AAQEQ7BKC

    https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Ftransaction%2F34019091%3F&h=AAQEQ7BKC

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    1. I'm not even sure what your point is here. None of this is copyright violation. None are even CLOSE. (And I don't even know why you posted the fourth link.) We need side by side proof to consider similarities. So keep trying.

      Like the penguin pic you copied.

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  24. See Mo...others can do their homework too....and also, Ms. Christian....the bible says Thou shall not judge! I don't know what bible you read....

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  25. To address your concerns Kim:

    Gold Panning Party Invitations: I agree with you. My shop had been open for 6 months at this point. I had never sold artwork before and began to receive requests for custom work, mostly in invitations. One of my customers requested the Gold Panning Invitations. After I drew them with my own character for the old man she had described, she sent me more directions for making him a "Yosemite Sam" type of character. I should have researched more carefully, or better yet, insisted that she either use my character or find someone else to draw them. I was very new at selling artwork and made a terrible choice, albeit an innocent one at the time. I have returned her payment in full.

    Princess Custom Listing for Cathy:
    I drew my characters for THIS particular piece of custom work *based on* the Disney princesses, obviously. I created them understanding the following:
    "Another way to legally use Disney characters could be to use them in what the law refers to as "transformative use." Transformative use requires that you change, or transform, the character enough so that it is no longer a mere copy of the original. The resulting transformation is sometimes called a "derivative work." For example, if a painter created an original oil painting of his family and included the Disney character Tinkerbell as a family member, his use of Tinkerbell would be fair use because of its commentary that the artist considers Tinkerbell a member of his family. The use of Tinkerbell in the painting could be could be characterized as a transformative use, and the painting could be called a derivative work."
    I will check with my lawyer tomorrow, but I do not believe I did anything wrong. In the meantime, I have again returned the customer's payment in full. I would rather admit doing something wrong (even by mistake) and fix it immediately than ever look dishonest...even though I believe to be correct in this usage of the princesses.

    Custom Illustration for Miabeads:
    I have no idea what the heck you are talking about with this piece. It is clearly my own work and looks like nothing you referred to above. I actually drew from a photo the woman sent me of her and her friends. Think you are pulling at straws here.

    Kim Kardashian Bikini Illustration: Because I did NOT work from a photo (like you apparently do all the time), under copyright law I believe this work is substantially different than Kim Kardashian herself. I drew a girl with an amazing booty in a bikini, inspired by Kim~ who (at the time, face in palm) was my favorite celebrity. Again, while I do not think I did anything in copyright violation, I did return the customer's payment in full. I would rather over-correct myself than appear in any way dishonest.

    Lost Character Magnets:
    See above

    I am fully committed to being a transparent artist~ one who knows FULL WELL that she draws artwork originating in her own mind from concept to completion. THAT is and has always been an important thing to me. If I make mistakes in anything from customer service to a Yosemite Sam in the first 6 months of my shop being open~ I aim to fix them because I care about my work and my authenticity. Thank you for pointing out my early mistake so that I could take care of the matter properly.

    It is important that artists, when confronted with something they mistakenly did (whether out of ignorance or just being overly-inpsired in their attempts at creating art), make better choices moving forward.

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    1. someone is not telling the truth here. I replied to you and apoligized if you believed I copied your artwork and offered to modify them. But you went and made it public on the same morning. AND I AM NOT NOR WILL I EVER BE YOUR CUSTOMER - I CAN DO MY OWN ARTWORK AND HAVE FOR OVER 30 YEARS! And you women all have resorted to name calling and slander by calling me a thief and a liar! so who is calling the kettle black. I too will not stand by and let all of you get away with what you do. and for your information SLANDER AND DEFEMATION OF CHARACTER - IS ILLEGAL!!!

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    4. Then hire a lawyer Cute as a Button and try to prove all the crap you posted. Go for it! You write, you delete, you rant, you revise history, you post your images for sale, you remove them, you post them again. You have no blog, you start a blog on the day you are confronted. You claim to be an artist for 40 years yet have no gallery on your "art page". You do not know what you are doing! .. NO NO NO you did not offer anything when first confronted. I wrote respectful letters to you and your husband, who seems to need to speak FOR you, and they were answered with hysterical rants and condemning bible excepts...basically making it impossible to have an intelligent conversation. You were given days of back and forth conversation with the hope of making this right, and you not only refused but also hurled insults at many of us.

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    5. Francesca, it is easy to make things murky on here. However, in court, I will have our etsy conversation available in whole~ showing you have misrepresented the truth many times just as you do here now. You claimed to not know who any of the referenced artists were in my message. When I checked your name and email in my shop records, I found a purchase from YOU made the day before our message., February 17. THAT makes you a customer. Regardless of the reasons why you purchased the stamp, you immediately lied about knowing my work in your first reply.

      You offered to make adjustments to your characters after admitting the similarities existed. In the meantime, you still NEEDED to remove them all instead of leaving them up for everyone to continue to buy. You did not. Then I received a message in which you said "FYI - I'm putting my images back on because I did nothing wrong!! God told me to stand and fight because u r falsely accusing and u trying to monopolize the market and think u r the only one with talent and knows how to draw cutsie characters." That is NOT modifying the characters that you said this about in an earlier thread of our convo: "I have told you the truth. And yes I see a resemblance but I am in no way as good a cartoon artist as you. "

      If we had had one character look oddly similar~ such as a body pose or a hairstyle, we could have talked about a coincidence...However, side-by-sides of many of your characters show EXACT lines matching up. What are the chances you and I both created, at different times and thousands of miles a way, the EXACT same hairstyle, down to the whispy bangs and hair ribbon on separate characters? Or the same exact braids on another character? Or the same legs, feet, hand, and stocking lines on another character. Francesca, you are playing a dangerous game of copyright infringement with the BEST evidence I've ever had for such a claim.

      Also, pointing your finger at us for slander and defamation is not accurate at all. We post side by sides and objectively ask for opinions, only after giving you ample time to fix this problem first. I explained that to you in our conversation. However, you husband has bordered on harassment, having contacted my pastors after I specifically requested he not do that. My pastors have NOTHING to do with this. I would not go to my pastors if someone came in my house and grabbed some of my things. I would go to the police. He overstepped his bounds, especially since I have my full conversation saved with him and asked him to stop threatening to find me and my pastors~ which he continued to do anyway.

      If you are such a great artist, use your own ideas and be original. You are using your own blatant misbehavior as a platform to increase your blog hits so you can preach the gospel?? That is so upsetting. Jesus didn't steal so he could preach lessons on how to settle disputes. Your tactics seem backwards on every front and you are ruining your chances at ever being able to sell REAL art because of the way you attack and respond to our helpful advice. Like I said, this is not about stopping you form selling art~ I wish you the BEST in that endeavor. But it has to be YOUR art- not pieces from a range of artists you like and then mimic/copy.

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    6. wow krista, can we say hypocrite? Trying to make yourself look better by saying that you gave the money back? Are you just buying your customers that way? That's the not where the money should have gone. You sure do condemn others for exactly the same thing you do. I do believe you have a few Disney characters in your portfolio. Dont even try to say you didn't know that Disney is copyright protected. Even named one Snow. What about the Star Wars arn't those copyright protected? Hunger games? You don't have such original ideas after all do you Krista? You just have a big following based on characters that you created based on other people's work. They are buying your BS

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    7. There you are Sher :) ... (I knew you would not be able to resist the urge to sneak in here regarding something that has nothing to do with you!!)

      None of the characters inspired by movies or shows are violations of copyright. I did not want to misunderstand the facts and have made money off something I did wrong...But in fact, upon doing a little research (you should try it, hun) have absolutely done nothing wrong in being inspired by such things:

      "transformative use."
      Transformative use requires that you change, or transform, the character enough so that it is no longer a mere copy of the original. The resulting transformation is sometimes called a "derivative work." For example, if a painter created an original oil painting of his family and included the Disney character Tinkerbell as a family member, his use of Tinkerbell would be fair use because of its commentary that the artist considers Tinkerbell a member of his family. The use of Tinkerbell in the painting could be could be characterized as a transformative use, and the painting could be called a derivative work.

      I did not COPY and I did not look at said characters as I drew them. Just like many artists who use the disney princesses tattooed or changed into zombies, I chose to create a very different, cartoonish type character inspired by them.

      It is difficult to have intelligent conversations with people who refuse to be intelligent. Try being objective Sher. You should not be allowing your past hatred for my artwork (and your love for Sherri Baldy art) to dictate how you respond to a very separate issue...supposedly with someone who has nothing to do with your "crew."

      Can't you find some Besties to go color??

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  26. None of the instances you linked to above has anything to do with me showing Francesca side by sides of our images a week ago and giving her ample time to consider this and remove them. I did not ask that she stop creating artwork. I showed her the errors she was making (copying my lines for hair, body position, and faces) and firmly requested that she remove them immediately. My desire was NEVER to bring this out publicly, but to inform her so that she could continue to sell artwork in an honest way. She refused, even after admitting the similarities.

    (She also said she did not know who I was- after making a purchase from my shop exactly ONE DAY before I messaged her.)

    I appreciate your concern for the friends you have, but you need to stick to commenting on artwork. Your mouth is horrendous and you make a better fool of yourself than anyone here could ever do. My initial reaction to your comments is feeling angry~ but then I think that you must have some real issues to do this to yourself in front of so many people in the craft community. I honestly pity you. And your young male suitors.

    As for your constant tattoo references, they always make me smile:). I am flattered that you take such interest in my ink. If you are going to make this a Biblical issue, please take up some reading ("READING IS FUNDAMENTAL") about Bible interpretation. Taking verses out of their cultural context is doing a grave injustice to the meaning and interpretation of such passages. Every book of the Bible was written as the inspired Word of God, but He did that beautifully in the context of his author's social customs, society, and culture. I would recommend reading The Blue Parakeet by Scot McKnight. He is a wonderful author and full of interpretive insights. Rest assured, when I meet my Savior, Jesus will be looking past the "tats" and straight into my heart.

    Hopefully this clarifies things for you on may levels. Name calling, telling other women they are a "troll" and ugly~ none of this has anything to do with the matters on this blog. Talk about a way of shamelessly exposing your own insecurities! Chill out, Kim.

    This is meant as a place to objectively talk about issues with artwork.

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    2. Krista, I for one, love your tats and have my own. I am getting more and they are all connected to my faith walk. my sons have them, too.

      oh yes, my husband is a pastor. MANY pastors and their families have tattoos. you are correct, the reference about not marking your body (and the wearing of makeup) were references to the culture of the time.

      I have a feeling that if Jesus were walking the Earth today, he would be sporting some pretty serious ink! ;) with style, I might add!

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    3. now let's please get back to the topic of copyrights and such without having to resort to calling names, please. it seems the conversations have gotten quite off track....

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  27. And again Kirsta...you need to go back and re read the comments....A girl called me a troll and I responded to her that she is the troll...not I....I don't use the Troll word...ye that sow....so shall ye reap. And I am not selling my artwork...I make jewelry...I paint and do pen and inks....But haven't done pen and inks in a long time.....I am not a cartoonist....I draw realism....I go to the beach and take a photo of the lighthouses and I draw them....I see an animal...and I draw it....whether it is through a picture Im seeing in the open with my eyes or something on tv I liked and take a shot of it as I record with a dvr because I am a busy mom....All artists that draw realism look at something to draw it...I do not trace....I have the talent to draw...When you are in art school...they give you photos or real settings to draw.....This is what I do....Im not selling anything for big bucks...not even small bucks..I can sell my paintings too easy and make a lot of money....I give away drawings to people who ask me to draw things....I do not copy big industry characters as they will go after you big time....I do not like the constant bashing of artists online....it is pathetic....Mo Manning is a fraud and its the stupid people that follow her....she has you all sucked in. The women on here need to use their own minds and stop trying to play follow the leader. No one talks objectively on this blog...they slam and try to destroy others....I leave ppl alone....but when the attacking begins, I WILL step in. I do not back down to bullies....I am one that would stand in their face and make them leave without a face. I loathe a smart mouth bully...with a passion....as long as I take a breath, I will defend those whom need defending...some ppl are strong but I am strong....both physically and mentally. There are post all over fb with ppl who aren't artists that loathe Mo Manning....and if you are foolish enough to be taken in by it....go right ahead....You started it with me earlier...but you and others on this blog seem to be able to bash, bully and dish it out....but definitely not woman enough to receive it back...and your heart is not one of Christianity when you participate in judgement of others....I don't have to copy or steal as some on here have put it tonite...I am truly a woman of many talents, and rest assure, I am one that is able to stand with my head tall and 100 percent confident in my work...

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    1. If you go to the beach and take a photo of a lighthouse, then bring it home and TRACE it -- that's okay. It is NOT copyright infringement because you own the copyright on photos you take, and when you make a drawing from it, you're making a 'derivative work' from your photo.

      When you record a tv show or movie, and use one of the stills to trace (or copy) an image from the film -- that IS a copyright violation because you do not have the right to create a derivative work from a source you do not own the copyright to.

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    2. Mo...I do not need you to tell me the copyright laws...I know them all too well....And I don't have to trace...you still wont tell about the Christmas artwork you did was copied by you...you will never tell these people the truth...but you know the truth....you are so incorrect about a lot of things...btw, I just hung up from my atty and he has had the pleasure of reading these posts...he has chuckled at you about your posts. Informing me that you are the one that is not knowledgeable about copyright laws...so...you keep up your rants...when you wake up and find that you have a class action suit from other artists...you will be asking why? what did I do?...like I said previously..ye that sow, so shall ye reap. He has yours and Kristas artwork that has been infringed upon. So, as to his advice, I wont be commenting on your page anymore...you keep on keeping on with you idle gossip and storytelling....your lies and your bullying...btw...this is bullying...and then one day you will awaken and wont know what hit you! So long....adios...hasta luego!

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  28. P.S.....I don't even know a Francesca . I haven't been scrapping or card making for a year now

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  29. It is obvious that neither Kim or Francesca want to discuss/debate or listen to reason. Francesca just wants to throw up a smokescreen, and Kim wants to name call. If they are willing to consider anything anyone else says they may learn something. Coming from someone who has nothing to gain here, nothing invested, who is not an artist, who has spent hours reading up on copyright and trademark infringement, Francesca you are in the wrong, you are violating federal law. All the ranting and denying and throwing God into it will NOT change that. I , as a Christian, feel your arguments are more disingenuous when you feel the need to use religion and God to defend what your doing. That is sad. I too could pull excerpts out of context from the bible to use in my discussion, however, I believe the truth can stand on its own.

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  30. I can honestly say I am stunned by the posts on this. I am actually a gamer and this kind of name calling and trash talking is something I'd expect from the kids playing the games, not from adults. I am sure it will all be settled in court although it's unfortunate it has to even go that far. I have been a customer of Mo's for awhile and know how hard she has had to fight to keep people from profiting off her work. If I had copied her work, I'd apologize and remove anything I'd done..simple as that. I guess I'm just more moral than some though. I wanted to just write to let Krista and Mo know that I support them 100% and am sorry that they have to deal with people like this which takes away from the time they could be working. You guys have real talent so don't let the hacks and the trolls get you down.

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  31. "Personal insults are the last refuge of the intellectual coward."
    ~Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

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  32. And all you Francesca Lopez lovers.. why not translate your devotion to $$ and buy her stamps.. last I looked, she only sold 2 more since this began... put your $$ where your mouth is or are they too ugly to work with..???

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  35. There is only one issue here. Do observers of the side by side examples believe it shows that Francesca Lopez copied other artists's work and claimed it as original? Simple as pie for anyone with eyes . . . the sources you stole from are childishly obvious. And so, you are accused of copying. Do you really think that we LIKE to be alerted that someone has come across someone stealing our work? Do you think we have the spare time to police the whole internet looking for trouble, or that we get our jollies harassing innocent people instead of WORKING??

    Likewise, the tiny little group of hate-fueled friends who are supporting copyright theft like this under the guise of "supporting the underdog" it's no secret to anyone that what you're really looking for is to insert your own names into drama that has nothing to do with you -- well, until it caused us to look at the images in Kim's shop. OOPS! (Are you having fun yet?) Personally, I admit I'm having fun watching you make fools of yourself. Go on, keep entertaining me.

    Go ahead and keep accusing artists of "bullying" for refusing to allow people to rip us off. It doesn't change the facts.

    We are completely within our legal rights to bring these examples to the court of public opinion and are under no obligation to let you infringers "hide" their wrongdoings. When we contact someone first privately who has stolen our intellectual property -- it is out of more consideration than any shop-owner would offer the shoplifter stuffing a bottle of nail polish surreptitiously into her cleavage. Digging in with lies and ridiculous blog postings full of misinformation on copyright issues after being contacted by the original artist -- on a blog you have intentionally set up so that no one can counter your babble . . . . do you think that will derail our righteous cause? We are protecting our careers. Without fighting this fight -- we have no careers.

    You can not claim libel or defamation unless you can prove to a court that you did not copy any art. Not going to happen, I'd bet my life on it -- but go ahead and try. Stamp Out does not make careless accusations. We're a coalition of independent professional artists and companies most of us with many years of experience. We are not going to allow people who think they can make a quick buck by copying our hard work get away with violating our legal rights.

    Personally, I think you and your husband Art -- a PASTOR for heaven's sake -- should be ASHAMED of using (and I mean USING) people's religious beliefs to try to twist the obvious truth of your deceit.

    For Francesca to have independently come up with several images so substantially close to other artists (including many of the exact same lines) -- you seriously would have to prove it was a miracle.

    PS Kim, for claiming that my copyright knowledge was incorrect, you sure did take down that penguin quickly when you were informed about the laws there. Seriously, good job -- maybe there's a glimmer of hope for you.

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  36. So why haven't you taken legal action....
    Coz u haven't got a leg to stand on....
    That's why u are full of hate!!!!

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  37. I'm just sooooo happy you are all still going, and all the awful comms you girls have made, now ppl can see it for themselves.
    And I've heard soooo many times...they will never use your images again..
    So u are doing more damage to your selves than anyone else..
    Yayyyyyyy for mo and her army!!!

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  38. I was wondering how long more trolls would show up and oh krafty -kutz or is it Ally the fox or alesandras creations.why would you be here to spit your hate grow up

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  39. For everyone's information: When you leave a comment on a blog, it is picked up by Google Search pages. When someone in the future does a search for your name, your comments will show up on search pages.
    https://www.google.com/#q=Kirsty....I+am+very+far+from+stupid+and+you+look+are+the+one+that+looks+like+a+troll...really%3F...how+can+you+look+in+the+mirror+and+make+that+statement....I+still+attract+younger+men...easy+peasy

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  40. The hate is coming all from u Barbara.....thats what you let people see all the time - oh if only you knew what people are saying and by the way u are totally wrong about everything u wrote......and I am not surpriced at all....

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  44. Hey kraft kutz, who said no is taking legal action?

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  45. LOL!!!!!! so you brought a friend huh must have nailedl it on the head huh

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  46. wait a second. this blog is not about shouting names at one another and throwing out curse words. this is all about trying to inform people about copyrights and protecting artists & their creative works. the bashing really needs to stop. it is not productive and doesn't do anything but stir up more negative feelings. goodness knows, there are enough bad vibes going around already. we need to try to keep this as full of integrity and honor as we possibly can. slamming one another does no good.

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  47. Oh u remove our comms...
    Why...coz they make u look stupid!!!???? PMSL
    That's funny

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    1. I would prefer you to monitor your own foul mouth so I don't have to do it for you. Posts without intelligent content will be removed. (But yes, I've got email backups of everything!)

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  49. Barbara....friend or no friend you are totally wrong .....u were told yesterday as well....get your facts right....

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  52. I have noticed that most of Kim's images from Scrapbook Stamp Society have been removed, so I will comment on the photo posted here. I believe it is an obvious copy of a photo that she does not own the rights to. This is not a proper use of photo reference. There are many very famous artists who use photos for their realist paintings or drawings, but they take their own photos. And they go through great pains to get the perfect photo. Norman Rockwell comes to mind (his photos were works of art in their own right) and this is an interesting article on properly using photos for reference that you may like to read: http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2009/03/using-photo-reference.html This link shows the great length he went to to get a good photo: http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/02/windblown-cape.html

    A huge part of creating art, whether it is illustration for children's book, comics, silly/whimsical stamps, or realistic art is coming up with an idea and deciding the best way to communicate your ideas and feelings visually. I feel like skipping that step and using photos that are not your own is theft.

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  53. As a bystander I am appalled by all of your comments. It's like watching children in a playground. You all seem to be trying to bully each other into submission. None of you are coming off in a good light. Try doing this in private. No one needs publicly shaming or outing. All you are doing is shaming yourselves with this behavior! Both parties copying and posting everything on facebook too! You need to really think about what everyone on the outside is witnessing. It is shocking!

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    1. Hi Julie, I understand your distaste at seeing someone's dirty laundry being aired in public.

      Consider, however:

      Every time you watch the news, pick up a newspaper, or click open your browser you are seeing the same . . . people who have been accused and/or found guilty of a crime being taken to task. In public. That guy's arrest records, photos, address, family names, mugshots, details of the alleged crime . . . are all there for anyone to see. Always has been that way. Why? Well, for one reason, it’s a deterrent. For another reason, the public has the right to be aware of dishonest companies. There are watchdog and consumer beware and review sites EVERYWHERE. Do you think artists don’t deserve the same rights any other business has? We have spent our whole lives developing unique styles and interpretations of ideas so that we can feed our children TOO. And we pay taxes!

      What is shocking to ME -- is that some "users" of intellectual property seem to think that Artists don't have the same right that tangible property owners have to protect their art. We're supposed to (hush hush, whisper) to the infringer to please take down the work when we find people (and this is not an isolated incident) stealing our property. Don't tell anyone I’m doing this!!! And if they refuse, as Francesca and her husband have after Krista Smith (kindly) tried to talk to them first? What then do you suggest?

      Sorry -- we already have a hard enough time. It costs thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer and bring -- even an BLATANT offender like we have here to court. Do you have 40 thousand dollars in your pocket? How would you like it if you saw your missing car in your neighbor's garage and the only way you could get it back was to shell out 40 Thousand. Seriously, what would you do?

      There is no ethical equivalency in comparing artists who are broadcasting news of the theft of their work with the bitter spite and trash talk of infringers and their supporters. So I’m sorry to be blunt — it’s been a long week already — but unless you have some grand idea that is going to bring justice to IP owners, you need to get off your high horse.

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  54. And just so you know mo....I am contacting all the children's book companies you are illustrating for and telling them to read the new post on my blog.....where the child illustrator wishes me childless

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